viernes, 4 de abril de 2014

MY PERSONAL AND ACADEMIC EXPERIENCE -----> HACKNEY COMMUNITY COLLEGE (LONDON)

As some of you know, I was granted a Training Period in a college of London for one week. I chose the Hackney Community College because some of my colleagues had already been there and because it is a similar college to the one I am working in right now. To avoid a lengthy text, I'll be mentioning the MOST INTERESTING THINGS  I saw and learnt throughout this week and that I consider interesting for you. You can compare them to our Spanish educational system. 




1. The maximum number of students per class is 20. They usually have a small number of students, mainly in foreign language classes. (Do you know how many students in a class are there in Spain?) 

2. Students and teachers have one week off every six weeks of class. Apart from these weeks and the holiday banks, they enjoy summer , Christmas and Easter holidays. They have 32 weeks of class and 20 weeks of holidays. (Do they have more holidays than Spanish students/teachers)? 

3. Vocational Training (FP) is similar to the Spanish system. They have 3 levels (LEVEL 1, LEVEL 2 and LEVEL3 which consists of 2 years). Level 1 is for students who did not finish secondary education or do not have the necessary qualifications to get into university. Once they finish Level 3, they can access university (it would be something similar to ciclos medios and ciclos superiores). 

4. Teachers can have other jobs. For example, the P.E teacher also works in a gym, or the psychologist of the school works in a hospital once a week... So some of them work part-time. The reason for this according to them is.... "If I had to work here full time, I would get crazy" :) 

5. In ALL classes, teachers have support teachers, that is, assistants who help students with their difficulties or help the teacher with other tasks. (Do we have this in Spain?) 

6. Students do not have a fix time for lunch. They have lunch when there is a break between classes (usually at 11:30 or 12:00). They eat something in the cafeteria  and then go back to their classes. 


7. There are 51 policies and procedures devised by the school itself. Although the attendance policy is one of them,  attendance is not compulsory to pass the modules. For teachers it is not a requirement. It is curious, though, that I was not allowed to get into the school one morning because I was chewing gum! 

8. The main problems for teachers here are: the students' use of mobile phones in class (really??? I can't believe it!) and lack of attendance. 

9. Teachers have 23 hours a week of class and get paid 2.000 pounds a month. They also use a lof of new technologies in class. They have digital boards and make their classes very visual. They also make their students participate in an active way in their classes. Most of them do not use textbooks.  (Is it that way in Spain?) 

10. I talked about our educational system in Spain to a group of students and teachers and I would like to share with you the questions they made: 
  • How is it possible that you've got classes with more than 30 students? 
  • Why don't you have teacher assistants if you have so many students per class? 
  • What do you do with students who have special needs and learning difficulties if you don't have assistants? 
  • Aren't teachers in public schools better qualified and prepared than teachers in private schools after passing hard state exams? 
  • Considering public schools are free for everybody, why are private schools the first choice for parents? 
  • Why do you need two hours for lunch? (talking about primary and secondary schools) 
I could be writing for days about all this but I think these 10 ideas are a pretty good summary of the most curious things I've learnt. Feel free to add more ideas, comment and ask questions. 


And of course... THANK YOU for reading this post! There is no point in living such a good experience if I cannot share my feelings with you! 

28 comentarios:

  1. Hi Belén!

    I am delighted to know about your trip! It's fantastic to see that there are people like you who care so much about our educational system, especially nowadays. In my opinion, our system has a great deal to learn from the British one, but I suppose we'll still have to wait for a long time if we want to see any improvement.

    Congratulations and keep up the good work!!

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    1. Thank you Silvia for your words! I strongly agree with you. We still have a lot to do to improve our system. Let's be optimistic! :)

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  2. Hello,
    I don´t know very well the educational system in Spain but in my opinion, 20 students per class ar better than 30 or 40 , the week off after every 6 week of school, also i think is a good idea, but i don´t know what to say about the teachers that can have other job, ain´t pro´s but neither con´s .Support teachers? that means that every theacher or every signature has a person with them that participate at the theaching location? I don`t want to sound mean,but why are the teacher there if you have a support, if a support is able to explain what you didn`t understand that means that also could teach you? Maybe i don´t understand very well the meaning of support.The weirdes thing in your experience is that they don`t aloud you to enter with chewing gum?Seriously?
    Se you tomorrow!
    Good night!
    Nicoleta

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    1. Hi Nicoletta! We've already discussed this in class. The support teacher just helps students with learning difficulties and helps the main teacher. The main teacher is in charge of 20 students and sometimes does not have the time to help all students . That's the function of a support teacher.
      Be careful with SPELLING PLEASE!

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  3. Hi Belén!! Good to know you loved the experience!!
    Obviously, they show they really worry about education when they have support teachers in every class and the amount of students is a maximum of 20. Here there´re 30 or more. But at the same time, I don't understand very well why attendance it isn't compulsory.
    Also, I'm sure there's a reason to have that mid-term holidays (it's the way they call it, as far as I know) but Easter, Christmas, bank holidays and summer itself seem to be enough, although it would be great to have that week off!! XDD
    I think it's good for teachers to have a different job if they only work half term, it's a way of getting away from the stressful situations they can have in class sometimes.
    Chewing gum!!??? Really??!!!!
    Not using so many textbooks would be great to save some money because they're not specially cheap... Actually we do in our class because we only use books in English, FOL and protocol.
    I'd love to have the possibility to study, work and live abroad once more!!

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    1. Yeah.. I agree with your ideas. I also think attendance should be compulsory but... well they say that they are adults and they know that if they miss class, it's worse for them.
      If you want to study abroad/work abroad..there are many possibilities for you! Do the FCT Europe next year!

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  4. Hello! I think that the educational British system is better than ours.In my class, we are small class, but it is well to have a teacher of help. The vacations this well, but I believe that they have too much. In general I would take many ideas of his educational system,because the Spanish system has improve very much.

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    1. Thanks Anabel! I also think that we have to improve a lot!

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  5. In my opinion the educational system in Spain leaves much to be desired and far from other systems as you have already mentioned.
    I think the education private is not better than the education public simply having easier access and pay as you better think something is free.
    Thank you very much for making us see that being private does not have to be better and for sharing your experience. Good job :-)

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    1. Private does not have to be better but the sad truth in Spain is that IT IS BETTER for most people.

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  6. How interesting! You caused me a bit envy!:) I also would like to go there and see this with my own eyes.I think their education system is better than Spanish and our politicians can take it like example...Violeta

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  7. Hi Belén, I loved it your post about your experience in London, I think that Spain is very belated in comparation with other countries, the students of Spain not have the necessary preparation always and the english is a language very important for all but unfortunately in our country have been realized later.
    I envy a lot of things that you account!

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    1. Hopefully, we are making a lot of changes in the worls of education, so let's be optimistic! thanks for your comment Maria

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  8. daniela eliza sarac7/4/14, 16:12

    Hello Belen
    Thank you for sharing with us your beautiful and helpfull experience.I must say that i didn't know it was such a big difference betwen the educational sistem of Spain and UK.
    I am agree with the fact that attendance is not compulsory, i belive that as long as you are able to learn by yourself and your results are good , why not?Of course you should have a good reason to miss the clases and also prive it.
    Having a teacher assistant i think is a very goog idea , many students have difficulties to learn and they would need an extra help provided by the state. (Free)
    Regarding the lunch time i like that one instead of the one we have in Spain , you can do more things during the day and much more things.
    About the salary i think is clear: part time 2000 pounds is good payed.
    I think that Spain has a lot to learn from the UK sistem and i also think is posible...but not people who want!

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    1. Yeah, there are good things in the English system although I wouldn't say it's a model to look up. Thanks!

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  9. Hi Belen!

    I think that an experience like this is gives you a different point of view about our education in Spain.

    For example, the maximum number of students is an important factor. I believe that is essential for the students’ efficiency. For this reason, our politicians should think about it if they want to improve the educational system.

    Also, I agree with the support teachers. I think that is a good way to make the learning easier. In Spain there aren’t these professionals, but I hope that this change in the future.

    Finally the best of British education are the teachers’ salaries. This proves that the teaching career has more value that in Spain.

    Well, see you soon in classroom.
    Rubén :)

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    1. Teaching is better considered in all countries except in Spain. That's so sad... Anyway, thanks for your comment!

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  10. Hello Belen!!
    First of all, welcome back, I read the teachers have support teachers who help students with their difficulties, Is that necessary? Have you ever needed someone to help you in (mislata) class? So looks like Vocational Training is made for troublemakers or even poor development delayed (in England of course) or the special students with learning difficulties should study in another center?
    I read attendance is not compulsory to pass the modules but I think that policy makes people lose interest in class but I hope they take advantage of their class, don´t you think so?
    The main problem with mobile phones is a lack of respect with teachers, rude people.
    And the week off every six weeks looks great but is a loss of time, in fact...too many days with no class, is that useful? Well I think is a well paid job being teacher in England that´s the most important thing for you ji ji
    Thank you for your time, see you soon.
    Andrés.

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    1. I DO think that attendance should be compulsory. If you don't want to come to class or you are not able, there is distance learning offered as well for students. I also think that attendance is necessary to pass a module or at least being more confident when taking the exams.. but people have different opinions about this.
      As we said in class, they use the weeks off to work on projects, research, essays.... and it's useful for them. For us, I think it would be a waste of time since our learning methods are not essay-based.

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  11. Hi Belén,
    I´m glad you went well , I think a very nice experience. As you mentioned there is much difference between our education and london, but there are things you do not see necessary in Spain. Thanks for sharing with us your experience, Luis.

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  12. So teachers usually have other jobs? That doesn´t sound good. If there were paid enough, maybe they wouldn't do that. After checking all what you posted, I don't think educational system in England is much better than ours. And everyone can use mobile phones easily... I wonder if a teacher can forbid them in class. If not, that would be a "cachondeo", ¿no?
    JUANJA

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    1. That does not mean that they are not paid well. It just means that they have the opportunity to do it. Here in Spain, we cannot do it (you can do it for a limited amount of hours or ilegally of course). In that way, they work in other fields which are more relaxing for them.
      Students should not use phones in class but some teachers think that's not a problem so I think that's a matter of teachers' own opinions.

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  13. Nice Experience, I want travel to London and I want to know the habit of this place. My sister went it and she said me that it was amazing. The people is great and very friendly. Good place to visit.

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  14. Carles Sanz Mateu DAW 219/10/14, 17:05

    I was also in a exchange in London during one week, and I can confirm that the educational system don't have many things in common. I don't remeber very well the name of the school but it was in Croydon. The first thing to note were all the resources that they have. For example, they have a lot of places to practice sports, a giant cafeteria or even an auditorium with many instruments for any student who would use it.

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  15. Javier Peiro28/11/14, 9:07

    Its sad to see how advanced are in other countries in education while in Spain we have people like Mr Wert who doesn't care about students only about money.

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  16. Hi Belen!
    It's very interesting experience, because going abroad to learn is always a good idea.
    You make a contrast between the Spanish and British educational system. In the English system we see the benefits that students and teachers have. For example, more support teachers for children with learning difficulties, don't use textbooks and teachers practice two jobs.
    However, in Spain we do not find so many benefits, there are many students in classroom, there aren't support teachers, the technology is not used so much in class..
    The Spanish educational system has to learn a lot from the British.
    I really enjoyed reading your experience and knowing the differences of education.
    I'll see you in class.
    Marta.

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